Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
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- 11.9.2013
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Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
Päivämääräkiekko väärän värinen, kuoren muoto, koneiston lasi, AR pinnoitteen puute lasissa, takakannen ruuveja avattu huolettomasti (mitä harvoin tapahtuu tuon hintaluokan kellossa), taulupainatuksen väri sekä L SWISS MADE L tekstin suttuisuus. Edes laatikko ei täsmää alkuperäiseen boksiinsa.
J-P sanoi:
Päivämääräkiekko väärän värinen, kuoren muoto, koneiston lasi, AR pinnoitteen puute lasissa, takakannen ruuveja avattu huolettomasti (mitä harvoin tapahtuu tuon hintaluokan kellossa), taulupainatuksen väri sekä L SWISS MADE L tekstin suttuisuus. Edes laatikko ei täsmää alkuperäiseen boksiinsa.
Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
jos otat tuon kellon käteen niin lähes ainoa mistä tuon erotat aidosta ilman vertailukappaletta on koneisto. Kaikki mu on erittäin hyvää laatua. Kuvista näkee, vaikka sitä on yritetty piilotella, että liipotin pyörii kello 6 kohdalla (st2555) eikä kello seitsämän kohdalla kuten aidossa. Tämä tosin taitaa olla pvd pinnoitettu eikä komposiitti kuten aito, mutta sitä ei näe kuvasta, tosin kädessä tietysti huomaisi myös siitä.
Kyseessä on mitä ilmeisimmin tämä kello uudempana versiona Seagullin koneistolla, jossa liipotin on lähempänä aidon sijaintia.
Kuvarsitin kuorityö on muuten erittäin hyvälaatuista ja siitä on melko hankala mennä sanomaan aitoiden osalta yhtään mitään.
Tarkemmin (ja kuten huomaatte nämä harrastajat on tosissaan)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW O-series ST2555 & A7750 decorated mvmnt.)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (TSW O-series Ti+DLC - A7750 decorated mvmnt.)
The PAM 505 is a Radiomir version of PAM 386 Composite. There is another Radiomir version but in SS polished and Black dial with regular lume called PAM 388.
The gen PAM 505, the same as PAM 339, 375 and 386, is made of a especial material Panerai COMPOSITE. It is the result of an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, this material is harder than the ceramics normally used for cases in watch-making (zirconia), and also harder than metals like steel and titanium, as well as being lighter. Thanks to its qualities of ductility and reliability, the Panerai composite allows for complex and extremely precise workings and is the result of processes that, up to now, were employed in the creation of components for the aeronautic industry and for car and motorcycle races requiring the highest levels of performance.
This watch Radiomir Black Seal was introduced as regular production in year 2012 O-series.
It features second @9 subdial, date window @3 without Cyclops, and 6-9-12 markers combined with sticks. Lume has a nice vintage patina. Overall colour is dark brown. This watch is fitted with the PANEARI Manifattura movement P.9000, with a power reserve of 72 hours achieved by means of two spring barrels powered by an oscillating weight that winds in both directions. With a diameter of 13¾ lignes and a balance that oscillates at a frequency of 4 Hz, the P.9000 calibre is also fitted with a stop-seconds device enabling the time to be synchronized with a reference time signal.
The name Black Seal, printed on the dial, is a proprietary name of Officine Panerai which evokes fascinating memories of the history of the brand: Black Seal was one of the names used to describe the slow-speed torpedoes PIG, the midget submarines on which the commandos of the Italian Navy carried out their heroic underwater enterprises during the Second World War, with Panerai watches and instruments on their wrists.
July 2013- The First good replica of this watch is released by Kuvarsit Watches (KW). It is made of SS DLC dark Brown coated with an awesome finish, achieved by a beadblasted treatment before coating.
Care of details and overall finish are at the same level of current replicas made by KW. In this way the replica gets that gen-like feel already famous in last replicas from this maker. Leaving aside the weight you could not realize the difference. Case shape seems very accurate and the edges of the cushion shape are sharp and well defined. Crown shape and crown inscription are very good too.
It is fitted with a movement Seagull ST2555, automatic, 26 jewels, 21600 b/h, decorated with nice bridges like a P.9000. The decoration bridges are screwed avoiding they fall (be carefull becuase the catalogues usually have a mistake indicating A7750 instead of Seagull movement.
These decorated movements using Seagull are a bit more accurate to the gen than previous decorated movements using A7750, because Gen P.9000 has the balance wheel @7 , A7750 movement @11 and Seagull ST 2555 @6.
Therefore Seagull movement has the balance wheel @6 closer to the Gen @7, instead @11 like A7750.In this way the appearance is better and more like gen.
Anyway the movement has also inverted layout (like decorations based in A7750) in comparison to the gen, and the balance cock (the bridge holding the balance wheel) is also in inverted position.
KW REPLICA DECORATED MOVEMENT LIKE P.9000- BASE SEAGULL ST2555
The dial is finished all matt like gen, dial surface is microblasted before coating and gets a matt surface which “absorbs” light. It is the same with inscriptions RADIOMIR-BLACK SEAL-PANERAI that are without shine like gen. Following indications of maker the dial is very close to crystal, the same as gen, giving to this watch a very good appearance.
Markers and hands have superlume mactched with gen vintage colour. Markers are accurate but hands have wider lume than gen and this is noticeable.
Date window is accurate in position and size but Date fonts are a bit smaller than gen ones.
CP is well placed and nicely polished, really good
Overall the dial layout is almost perfect.
Front crystal has high quality colourless AR coating like gen.
Caseback is very well finished, like the case, and the engravings are deep, crisp and accurate. Caseback crystal is nicely brown darkened.
Asso strap very good quality of material and stitching (colour matching gen sample following indications of KW) with a buckle with deep and clean engravings following the shape of composite versions (different to SS models)
KW says this watch is tested waterproof 20m.
October 2013- KW releases a version V2 of this replica, fitted with decorated movement P.9000-like but based on A7750 instead of Seagull.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=61029
KW PAM 388 V1 had some problems regarding lug screws and KW needed to improve this matter. Moreover, Seagull ST 2555 is not an easy movement to get with continuity from the supplier.
Due to above mentioned reasons KW releases this new version V2, with lug screws issues fixed and decorated movement A7750 based.
IMO it is not an improvement, since Seagull is better than A7750, and more accurate (balance wheel @7) than A7750 (balance wheel @11).
Therefore we can say is an “updating” but not an improvement.
DECORATED KW TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 - WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL
This is one of the nicest replicas I have seen, with an awesome finish and appearance very gen-like. Since this replica is made of DLC SS instead of Composte the weight is much higher than gen, and the movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider it a Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course it is a very good First Class high level rep and an impressive and beautiful watch. Very advisable purchase, the price is not very high either.
Many above data are extracted from the review made by PolonusTM here:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-kw-pam-153738.html?p=1533732 by PolonusTM - with very good info about Panerai Composite
Review and interesting macro pics:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam505-o-series-155324.html?p=1552658 by Jeremy
Mini review by ALE:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158347 by ALE
More info about this watch:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=57300&st=0
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=152352
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1517077&postcount=22
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210747
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/kw-505-review-153522.html?p=1530702
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=58674
December 2013- TSwatches releases in cooperation with ZFac a PAM 505 O-series made of Titanium DLC coated, to get a weight closer to gen. Fitted with decorated movement ZFac type with painted false jewels. Crystal caseback is darkened like gen. This replica is the first Titanium DLC coated of this model. This is an advantage if the rest of features are as good as other competitors.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=67275
This rep has a finish at the same level of KW version and is fitted with a nice and good quality strap. Mid-case is very accurate even more than KW. Another good replica of this watch.
Regarding evaluation, itt is no possible Super Rep status due to inaccurate material and display caseback with inaccurate movement. But we can consider it a First Class high level rep
Which is the best version between KW and ZFac? As many times it happnes, there is no absolut reply to this question and you should make your own judgement knowing the pros and cons of each rep.
In order to know all data to take a decision there is a full definitive comparison review by ALE
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179812
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229024
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=76006
You have a comparison thread of both reps with the Gen 505, form the point of view of TimesShopNet -TSWatches here:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=182437&p=1842865#post1842865 by TimesShopNet
You have a comparison thread of both reps with the Gen 505, from the point of view of KW here:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183127&p=1854884#post1854884 by KW
To summarize, as a guide, below I will show the main reasons for preferring or no preferring both versions:
Regarding finish and gen-like appearance, dial layout, markers accuracy, hands, lume… they are almost the same.
Main reasons for preferring ZFac version:
-Better Mid-case shape accuracy
-Weight of case-set closer to gen
-More accurate Date wheel fonts and placement of numbers
-Better crown OP Logo
-Better Strap
Main reasons for NOT preferring ZFac version
-Whitish halo in crystal contour with marker reflections
-Inaccurate Cannon Pinion
-Worse quality and thickness of main inscriptions on dial
-Little colour differences between markers and hands lume and inscriptions
-Inaccurate Crown shape
-Worse movement decoration
Main reasons for preferring KW version:
-Cleaner contour of crystal without marker reflections or whitish halo
-More accurate main inscriptions on dial and dial surface texture
-More accurate Cannon Pinion
-Matching of colours almost perfect
-More accurate Crown
-Better Movement decoration
Main reasons for NOT preferring KW version
-Shorter L SWISS MADE L inscription
-Worse Mid-case shape
-Case-set weight less close to gen
-Less accurate Date wheel fonts and placement of numbers
-More inaccurate crown Logo
-Worse strap
Maybe if you are the happy owner of a KW it would not be worth to do a change to ZFac, but vice versa is also correct in my opinion. Maybe it would be worth to swap KW strap with a ZFac.
I would say that, leaving aside the strap, I prefer KW version, since the whitish halo in crystal contour produces an overall less clean dial and KW dial inscriptions and CP are nicer (despite LSML and date wheel are worse than ZFac). Movement, although KW is better, is not decisive because the darkened display crystal and the rotor make difficult to notice the differences. The differences in mid-case shape, without direct side by side comparison and without knowing the flaws, are merely noticeable. In relation to weight, obviously, ZFac is more accurate and closer to gen, since it is made of Titanium, but both replicas are far from the gen weight.
Anyway, two great reps and two great watches to be enjoyed for many time.
June 2014- Following the changes to Seagull made recently by KW in decorated P.9000 movements, KW released a PAM 505 KW with the same case as V2 with A7750 (lugs fixations improved) but returnig to the decorated movement based in Seagull of V1 version.
Therefore we have now a rep V2 but with the decorated movement seagull based of V1. We will call this version V2-Seagull. No needed to explain the features of this new rep because is a V2 but with the movement of V1. Price is also reduced.
Due to all those changes you would have to consult dealers before purchase which is the version they have available because usually there are some mistakes in catalogues. No modification in evaluation
This watch is a good candidate for a first replica
pasiz sanoi:
jos otat tuon kellon käteen niin lähes ainoa mistä tuon erotat aidosta ilman vertailukappaletta on koneisto. Kaikki mu on erittäin hyvää laatua. Kuvista näkee, vaikka sitä on yritetty piilotella, että liipotin pyörii kello 6 kohdalla (st2555) eikä kello seitsämän kohdalla kuten aidossa. Tämä tosin taitaa olla pvd pinnoitettu eikä komposiitti kuten aito, mutta sitä ei näe kuvasta, tosin kädessä tietysti huomaisi myös siitä.
Kyseessä on mitä ilmeisimmin tämä kello uudempana versiona Seagullin koneistolla, jossa liipotin on lähempänä aidon sijaintia.
Kuvarsitin kuorityö on muuten erittäin hyvälaatuista ja siitä on melko hankala mennä sanomaan aitoiden osalta yhtään mitään.
Tarkemmin (ja kuten huomaatte nämä harrastajat on tosissaan)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW O-series ST2555 & A7750 decorated mvmnt.)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (TSW O-series Ti+DLC - A7750 decorated mvmnt.)
The PAM 505 is a Radiomir version of PAM 386 Composite. There is another Radiomir version but in SS polished and Black dial with regular lume called PAM 388.
The gen PAM 505, the same as PAM 339, 375 and 386, is made of a especial material Panerai COMPOSITE. It is the result of an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, this material is harder than the ceramics normally used for cases in watch-making (zirconia), and also harder than metals like steel and titanium, as well as being lighter. Thanks to its qualities of ductility and reliability, the Panerai composite allows for complex and extremely precise workings and is the result of processes that, up to now, were employed in the creation of components for the aeronautic industry and for car and motorcycle races requiring the highest levels of performance.
This watch Radiomir Black Seal was introduced as regular production in year 2012 O-series.
It features second @9 subdial, date window @3 without Cyclops, and 6-9-12 markers combined with sticks. Lume has a nice vintage patina. Overall colour is dark brown. This watch is fitted with the PANEARI Manifattura movement P.9000, with a power reserve of 72 hours achieved by means of two spring barrels powered by an oscillating weight that winds in both directions. With a diameter of 13¾ lignes and a balance that oscillates at a frequency of 4 Hz, the P.9000 calibre is also fitted with a stop-seconds device enabling the time to be synchronized with a reference time signal.
The name Black Seal, printed on the dial, is a proprietary name of Officine Panerai which evokes fascinating memories of the history of the brand: Black Seal was one of the names used to describe the slow-speed torpedoes PIG, the midget submarines on which the commandos of the Italian Navy carried out their heroic underwater enterprises during the Second World War, with Panerai watches and instruments on their wrists.
July 2013- The First good replica of this watch is released by Kuvarsit Watches (KW). It is made of SS DLC dark Brown coated with an awesome finish, achieved by a beadblasted treatment before coating.
Care of details and overall finish are at the same level of current replicas made by KW. In this way the replica gets that gen-like feel already famous in last replicas from this maker. Leaving aside the weight you could not realize the difference. Case shape seems very accurate and the edges of the cushion shape are sharp and well defined. Crown shape and crown inscription are very good too.
It is fitted with a movement Seagull ST2555, automatic, 26 jewels, 21600 b/h, decorated with nice bridges like a P.9000. The decoration bridges are screwed avoiding they fall (be carefull becuase the catalogues usually have a mistake indicating A7750 instead of Seagull movement.
These decorated movements using Seagull are a bit more accurate to the gen than previous decorated movements using A7750, because Gen P.9000 has the balance wheel @7 , A7750 movement @11 and Seagull ST 2555 @6.
Therefore Seagull movement has the balance wheel @6 closer to the Gen @7, instead @11 like A7750.In this way the appearance is better and more like gen.
Anyway the movement has also inverted layout (like decorations based in A7750) in comparison to the gen, and the balance cock (the bridge holding the balance wheel) is also in inverted position.
KW REPLICA DECORATED MOVEMENT LIKE P.9000- BASE SEAGULL ST2555
The dial is finished all matt like gen, dial surface is microblasted before coating and gets a matt surface which “absorbs” light. It is the same with inscriptions RADIOMIR-BLACK SEAL-PANERAI that are without shine like gen. Following indications of maker the dial is very close to crystal, the same as gen, giving to this watch a very good appearance.
Markers and hands have superlume mactched with gen vintage colour. Markers are accurate but hands have wider lume than gen and this is noticeable.
Date window is accurate in position and size but Date fonts are a bit smaller than gen ones.
CP is well placed and nicely polished, really good
Overall the dial layout is almost perfect.
Front crystal has high quality colourless AR coating like gen.
Caseback is very well finished, like the case, and the engravings are deep, crisp and accurate. Caseback crystal is nicely brown darkened.
Asso strap very good quality of material and stitching (colour matching gen sample following indications of KW) with a buckle with deep and clean engravings following the shape of composite versions (different to SS models)
KW says this watch is tested waterproof 20m.
October 2013- KW releases a version V2 of this replica, fitted with decorated movement P.9000-like but based on A7750 instead of Seagull.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=61029
KW PAM 388 V1 had some problems regarding lug screws and KW needed to improve this matter. Moreover, Seagull ST 2555 is not an easy movement to get with continuity from the supplier.
Due to above mentioned reasons KW releases this new version V2, with lug screws issues fixed and decorated movement A7750 based.
IMO it is not an improvement, since Seagull is better than A7750, and more accurate (balance wheel @7) than A7750 (balance wheel @11).
Therefore we can say is an “updating” but not an improvement.
DECORATED KW TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 - WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL
This is one of the nicest replicas I have seen, with an awesome finish and appearance very gen-like. Since this replica is made of DLC SS instead of Composte the weight is much higher than gen, and the movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider it a Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course it is a very good First Class high level rep and an impressive and beautiful watch. Very advisable purchase, the price is not very high either.
Many above data are extracted from the review made by PolonusTM here:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-kw-pam-153738.html?p=1533732 by PolonusTM - with very good info about Panerai Composite
Review and interesting macro pics:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam505-o-series-155324.html?p=1552658 by Jeremy
Mini review by ALE:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158347 by ALE
More info about this watch:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=57300&st=0
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=152352
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1517077&postcount=22
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210747
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/kw-505-review-153522.html?p=1530702
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=58674
December 2013- TSwatches releases in cooperation with ZFac a PAM 505 O-series made of Titanium DLC coated, to get a weight closer to gen. Fitted with decorated movement ZFac type with painted false jewels. Crystal caseback is darkened like gen. This replica is the first Titanium DLC coated of this model. This is an advantage if the rest of features are as good as other competitors.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=67275
This rep has a finish at the same level of KW version and is fitted with a nice and good quality strap. Mid-case is very accurate even more than KW. Another good replica of this watch.
Regarding evaluation, itt is no possible Super Rep status due to inaccurate material and display caseback with inaccurate movement. But we can consider it a First Class high level rep
Which is the best version between KW and ZFac? As many times it happnes, there is no absolut reply to this question and you should make your own judgement knowing the pros and cons of each rep.
In order to know all data to take a decision there is a full definitive comparison review by ALE
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179812
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229024
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=76006
You have a comparison thread of both reps with the Gen 505, form the point of view of TimesShopNet -TSWatches here:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=182437&p=1842865#post1842865 by TimesShopNet
You have a comparison thread of both reps with the Gen 505, from the point of view of KW here:
http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183127&p=1854884#post1854884 by KW
To summarize, as a guide, below I will show the main reasons for preferring or no preferring both versions:
Regarding finish and gen-like appearance, dial layout, markers accuracy, hands, lume… they are almost the same.
Main reasons for preferring ZFac version:
-Better Mid-case shape accuracy
-Weight of case-set closer to gen
-More accurate Date wheel fonts and placement of numbers
-Better crown OP Logo
-Better Strap
Main reasons for NOT preferring ZFac version
-Whitish halo in crystal contour with marker reflections
-Inaccurate Cannon Pinion
-Worse quality and thickness of main inscriptions on dial
-Little colour differences between markers and hands lume and inscriptions
-Inaccurate Crown shape
-Worse movement decoration
Main reasons for preferring KW version:
-Cleaner contour of crystal without marker reflections or whitish halo
-More accurate main inscriptions on dial and dial surface texture
-More accurate Cannon Pinion
-Matching of colours almost perfect
-More accurate Crown
-Better Movement decoration
Main reasons for NOT preferring KW version
-Shorter L SWISS MADE L inscription
-Worse Mid-case shape
-Case-set weight less close to gen
-Less accurate Date wheel fonts and placement of numbers
-More inaccurate crown Logo
-Worse strap
Maybe if you are the happy owner of a KW it would not be worth to do a change to ZFac, but vice versa is also correct in my opinion. Maybe it would be worth to swap KW strap with a ZFac.
I would say that, leaving aside the strap, I prefer KW version, since the whitish halo in crystal contour produces an overall less clean dial and KW dial inscriptions and CP are nicer (despite LSML and date wheel are worse than ZFac). Movement, although KW is better, is not decisive because the darkened display crystal and the rotor make difficult to notice the differences. The differences in mid-case shape, without direct side by side comparison and without knowing the flaws, are merely noticeable. In relation to weight, obviously, ZFac is more accurate and closer to gen, since it is made of Titanium, but both replicas are far from the gen weight.
Anyway, two great reps and two great watches to be enjoyed for many time.
June 2014- Following the changes to Seagull made recently by KW in decorated P.9000 movements, KW released a PAM 505 KW with the same case as V2 with A7750 (lugs fixations improved) but returnig to the decorated movement based in Seagull of V1 version.
Therefore we have now a rep V2 but with the decorated movement seagull based of V1. We will call this version V2-Seagull. No needed to explain the features of this new rep because is a V2 but with the movement of V1. Price is also reduced.
Due to all those changes you would have to consult dealers before purchase which is the version they have available because usually there are some mistakes in catalogues. No modification in evaluation
This watch is a good candidate for a first replica
kanikune
Kelloista innostunut
- Liittynyt
- 10.3.2013
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Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
Vuoden legendaarisin kellomyynti-ilmoitus on löytynyt.
"Siinä ei ole pattereita, vaan se toimii verenpaineen avulla (kello tuntee sykkeen)."
http://www.tori.fi/varsinais-suomi/Harvinainen_omega_tarjousten_perusteella_13846606.htm?ca=4&w=3
Vuoden legendaarisin kellomyynti-ilmoitus on löytynyt.
"Siinä ei ole pattereita, vaan se toimii verenpaineen avulla (kello tuntee sykkeen)."
http://www.tori.fi/varsinais-suomi/Harvinainen_omega_tarjousten_perusteella_13846606.htm?ca=4&w=3
Bald Eagle
Jäsen
- Liittynyt
- 12.3.2013
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- 183
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Tuollaista kelloa ei ole vielä ranteessa ollutkaan. Sopisi varmaan Stubbille sykemittarien jatkoksi.
Tuollaista kelloa ei ole vielä ranteessa ollutkaan. Sopisi varmaan Stubbille sykemittarien jatkoksi.
Kellox
Jäsen
- Liittynyt
- 5.10.2013
- Viestit
- 166
Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
No jo on. Mutta mieltä jäi kalvamaan mistä malista tuo olisi kopio. Tuossa yhdessä kuvassa näkyis et siinä on lasinen takakansi ja siellä limppu.. mutta mitä toi markeerais?
Joo löyty tahi toi ainakin näyttää hyvin palsin ...
STUNNING MENS AUTOMATIC MOON PHASE WATCH*NEW* £21.99
No jo on. Mutta mieltä jäi kalvamaan mistä malista tuo olisi kopio. Tuossa yhdessä kuvassa näkyis et siinä on lasinen takakansi ja siellä limppu.. mutta mitä toi markeerais?
Joo löyty tahi toi ainakin näyttää hyvin palsin ...
STUNNING MENS AUTOMATIC MOON PHASE WATCH*NEW* £21.99
Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
On kyllä hieno!!! Ja taatusti harvinainen!!
kanikune sanoi:Vuoden legendaarisin kellomyynti-ilmoitus on löytynyt.
"Siinä ei ole pattereita, vaan se toimii verenpaineen avulla (kello tuntee sykkeen)."
http://www.tori.fi/varsinais-suomi/Harvinainen_omega_tarjousten_perusteella_13846606.htm?ca=4&w=3
On kyllä hieno!!! Ja taatusti harvinainen!!
jyzzzy
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day.
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Ei varoitus mutta menee ketjun aiheen alle.
Ennen tätä reissua ajattelin että hankin matkalta jonkun diveri faken ja laitan sen yhtä kovaan käyttöön
kuin Seikon ja katson kauanko piraatti oikeasti kestää suolavettä, aurinkoa ja hiekkaa.
Noita väärennöksiä on tarjolla vaikka millä mitalla mutta ei ole tullut edes pysähdyttyä moisen ständin viereen. Tuntuu typerältä edes "muuten vaan" tukea moista touhua eurollakaan. Ja mitä edes testaisin? Sitä että huonolaatuinen viritys hajoaa kun sen laittaa veteen? Itselläni taitaa jäädä testi tekemättä.
Kai noita ostetaan kun niitä myydäänkin.
Ei varoitus mutta menee ketjun aiheen alle.
Ennen tätä reissua ajattelin että hankin matkalta jonkun diveri faken ja laitan sen yhtä kovaan käyttöön
kuin Seikon ja katson kauanko piraatti oikeasti kestää suolavettä, aurinkoa ja hiekkaa.
Noita väärennöksiä on tarjolla vaikka millä mitalla mutta ei ole tullut edes pysähdyttyä moisen ständin viereen. Tuntuu typerältä edes "muuten vaan" tukea moista touhua eurollakaan. Ja mitä edes testaisin? Sitä että huonolaatuinen viritys hajoaa kun sen laittaa veteen? Itselläni taitaa jäädä testi tekemättä.
Kai noita ostetaan kun niitä myydäänkin.
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Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
Joku koettaa saada myydyksi satatuhatta replika-Casiota? Muu ei tosiaan "would make sense" kuin, että nyt aidossa kympin kulujen tms. sijasta joku tekee feikin taalalla parilla ja käyttää valmista brändiä.
Ja sen ostaa se, kelle 30 on iso raha mutta haluaa olla jossakin viitekehyksessä katu-uskottava vaikka feikillä, vaikkei olisi lähes ruokaankaan rahaa?
MM81 sanoi:
Joku koettaa saada myydyksi satatuhatta replika-Casiota? Muu ei tosiaan "would make sense" kuin, että nyt aidossa kympin kulujen tms. sijasta joku tekee feikin taalalla parilla ja käyttää valmista brändiä.
Ja sen ostaa se, kelle 30 on iso raha mutta haluaa olla jossakin viitekehyksessä katu-uskottava vaikka feikillä, vaikkei olisi lähes ruokaankaan rahaa?
Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
...ja tässä ei muuta kuin "Enontekijöille" ihastelemaan platinaista (?) takakantta...
)
http://www.tori.fi/uusimaa/Rolex_misten_kello_14117247.htm?ca=17&w=3
...ja tässä ei muuta kuin "Enontekijöille" ihastelemaan platinaista (?) takakantta...
)http://www.tori.fi/uusimaa/Rolex_misten_kello_14117247.htm?ca=17&w=3
Kellox
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Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
Valmistamisesta ei tiedä mutta ostamisesta tiedän, tällänen pösilö kuin mä.
Oiken nolottaa kertoa. En mä osannut ajatellakkaan että joku tekis noista
halvoistakin kopioita, mut tekee ne, on opittu.
Casio piti antaa lahjaks mut en sit antanutkaan, en kehdannut.
Katoin et Casio G-ShockGA-100 oli suomessa noin 124€
Noh pihinä (lue persaukisena) katsoin sitten ebyyraa ja kas samainen kello
46.45€. pikku odotus ja ... Pahasana posensiin 3. sieltä meinaan tuli feikki.
Ja sillo otti pattiin...
En ois koskaan uskonut että tuonkin hintaluokan kello kopioidaan.
Noh ainoa lohtu on se et ihminen on oppivainen eläin ja menetys ei ollut suuri.
MM81 sanoi:
Valmistamisesta ei tiedä mutta ostamisesta tiedän, tällänen pösilö kuin mä.
Oiken nolottaa kertoa. En mä osannut ajatellakkaan että joku tekis noista
halvoistakin kopioita, mut tekee ne, on opittu.
Casio piti antaa lahjaks mut en sit antanutkaan, en kehdannut.
Katoin et Casio G-ShockGA-100 oli suomessa noin 124€
Noh pihinä (lue persaukisena) katsoin sitten ebyyraa ja kas samainen kello
46.45€. pikku odotus ja ... Pahasana posensiin 3. sieltä meinaan tuli feikki.
Ja sillo otti pattiin...
En ois koskaan uskonut että tuonkin hintaluokan kello kopioidaan.
Noh ainoa lohtu on se et ihminen on oppivainen eläin ja menetys ei ollut suuri.
Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
on varmaan aivan sairaan aito ;D
Timpe sanoi:...ja tässä ei muuta kuin "Enontekijöille" ihastelemaan platinaista (?) takakantta...
http://www.tori.fi/uusimaa/Rolex_misten_kello_14117247.htm?ca=17&w=3
on varmaan aivan sairaan aito ;D
Vs: Huijausvaroitus / Spot the fake
Edullinen Hulkki.
http://www.tori.fi/uusimaa/Rolex_Submariner_2014___uusi_14149151.htm?ca=15&w=3
Löytääkö asiantuntiat mitään huomautettavaa?
Itse en kyllä huomaa mitään epäilyttävää, paitsi hinta ja warranty card.
Ja noita korttejakin kun on monenlaisia, mutta tuossa ref. pielessä.
Edullinen Hulkki.
http://www.tori.fi/uusimaa/Rolex_Submariner_2014___uusi_14149151.htm?ca=15&w=3
Löytääkö asiantuntiat mitään huomautettavaa?
Itse en kyllä huomaa mitään epäilyttävää, paitsi hinta ja warranty card.
Ja noita korttejakin kun on monenlaisia, mutta tuossa ref. pielessä.
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